ARGUING WITH THE KIDS....

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Well today I got my first piece of discernible agression from a record label (about bleeding time!!)

It came from WaKs Records...

They took exception to a comment I made on Alan McGees blog about a band called Hatcham Social...

Basically, without making any effort whatsoever to hear them (a cardinal sin, it's true) I made the apparently inflamatory comment that I was in no hurry to see or hear this apparent phenomena in waiting....

I said this, because I'm tired of/have lost faith in Che McGee's musical choices.

McGee was good for bringing us The Boo Radleys, My Bloody Valentine and one or two other pretty decent bands about 15 years ago. But this supposedly alt icons lasting legacy is Quoasis - a band who appear likely to go on boring us with the same old, same old, for what could be centuries unless DRASTIC ACTION IS TAKEN!!!!

Yes boss, I'm afraid I've lost faith in the man and feel it's about time we moved on and past his selections. Specifically, we need to take our heads out of our US/UK arses and see the bigger worldwide picture, which clearly indicates that British music is now almost entirely lifeless in comparison with many other less fashionable countries....

More importantly, it's about time rich western kids stopped taking themselves in anyway seriously as being edgey, dangerous and radical....

Anyway, this is what WaKs had to say...


Hello,

I dont know were you get off Hatcham Social bashing, but OLD MEN should watch what they say on matters they have no knowledge on. What the do you know about youth culture its been 10 years since you were young. Your just another self rightgous jorno. Hatcham Social are viewed by many in the music bussiness to be the most important band to surface this year, bit if you didnt know that you must be so out of touch its not even worth me writing this message. I could spend all day breaking it down for you but your old man mind wont be able to get it. See Hatcham Social are for young people, music is for young people and popular culture is for.......thats right young people which you are not. As we become stronger idiots like your self become less important.

WaKS Records


To which I replied....


Dear WaKS...

Thanks for your kind words...

Firstly...

I am of course a wickedly old 32 on my birth certificate, but I have a mental age of aroundabout 8 and I therefore feel able to judge youth culture. And my conclusion is that todays youth culture is about as vaccuos as the inside tube of a friggin vacuum cleaner...

Yes kids, to be brutally honest, I don't think there's been a Youth Culture as dull, as conforming and as unimaginative as your generations is and I sincerly wish you'd pull your heads out of your Nokia arses (sponsored by vodafone) and do something lively and interesting before the future fucking dies...

As far as I can see, you kids have got no fire, no real rebellion, no passion and no balls. You're drenched with money and gadgets, but you still labour under the impression you're in some way vital, exciting, edgey and interesting...


Secondly....

'Hatcham Social are viewed by many in the music bussiness to be the most important band to surface this year'

This is the whole bastard reason why I'm in no hurry to hear them. Anything that the music business tends to excited about in advance is nearly always SHIT!!!

Of course I might be wrong and I look forward to hearing The Social - all I was saying was that I'm not holding my damn breath...

Anyway, all the very best...
Paul Giovanni 3rd

PS: Why on earth do you think music is only for YOUNG PEOPLE???



A war???

Let's hope so....

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	Mclevey - Artist	Fantastic! Very well put. Posted by Mclevey - Artist on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 14:01 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 14:22 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	MOG	That's just hilarious! Yeah like anybody over the age of 25 isn't Qualified to understand "good music" I've just had a quick listen to Hatcham social and as far as I'm concerned The music style they haveis about 20 years out of date, (The Pixies and the Smiths come to mind) and also they have a completely shit name like a lot of bands these days.(The Twang or Pidgeon detectives anyone). I notice that steve lamacq had them as his single of the week and he's no teenager. He also discovered coldplay I believe. Posted by MOG on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 14:09 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	Yeah, the name sounds like some kind of posh boys weekender... Lamacq has been trying hard to be John Peel for some years now... Huw Stephens is however very much closer to the mark... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 14:26 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	Paloma Pirate	this is the kind of war i want to watch!! shhhh...don't tell anyone i'm 34... Posted by Paloma Pirate on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 14:12 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 14:22 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	PS: Paloma is in fact 43 not 34 Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 15:02 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	Paloma Pirate	and pg is really 62 not 32... Posted by Paloma Pirate on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 15:53 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	Madeleine	old man mind ouch the kids know how to navigate the english language a stoush, excellent bring it on Posted by Madeleine on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 14:23 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 14:29 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	MollyCoddle	Hil-fucking-arious!!!!!!!!!!! PS. It's time for your nap, Paul. Have it now, or you'll miss Countdown. Posted by MollyCoddle on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 16:05 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 16:15 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	Charles Bukkake	FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT hoorah for happy-slapping this generic, bland, wankers with guitars band it has to be said it's not angst ridden alienated youth it's not passion it's smug cunts with gadgets may their groupies give them herpes Posted by Charles Bukkake on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 18:08 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	What time is love??? Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 23:25 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	maryJane	im pretty sure the music industry that creates and sells certain "youth" pop-culture is run by old and oblivious men. the fact that this guy even responded shows that he has no identity and feels threatened by someone who can think for themselves. people are morons. Posted by maryJane on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 18:53 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	All I said was I'm not in a hurry to hear them... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 22:50 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	extremely witty display name.	honestly this blog proves how out of touch you are, someone has said that hatcham sound 20 years out of date, this shows how musically illiterate and socially inept you pretentios pricks are, all there influences are from the early 80's and the only early 80's bands you can referance is pixies and the smiths, but this just shows how far your music taste digs........ not very deep, then you refer to them in the same light as the twang and the pidgeon detectives, you are all tasteless wankers who obviously only take your music prefernce from the nme or fucking Q magazine. maybe you should go record shopping and actually find something that the media isnt shoving down your throat. hugs and kisses dan waks Posted by extremely witty display name. on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 19:02 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	Go and play with your toys.... and do your research... at the moment you're just a silly child mouthy cunt... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 22:48 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	Paloma Pirate	well thank you, dan, for educating us old folks. should i be turning to you for my cultural education? please remove your head from your ass because your breath is starting to stink. oh to be young and know it all. this is the worst suffering. it is good to see that you have some fight in you. ok, enough of the insults, because i am really not interested in fighting with you. i promise you'll grow out of this someday and, then you shall know the pleasure of an intelligent discussion. Posted by Paloma Pirate on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 22:20 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	mark	an interesting eloquent argument, i think you will find the reason the twang and the pigeon detectives were referenced was that they are the bands that your target demographic, the people who are not yet to old to understand music, tend to rave about. in regard to how musically illiterate us pretentious pricks are, i assume you are referring to myself as well because i do not find the hatchams particularly ground breaking either, well i would argue that they are twenty years out of date. the reason for this is simple. the late 80's were essentially about rehashing the Motown, reggae and ska music from the late sixties, and restructuring its beats and narratives to emphasise more relevant social and important current issues, with varying degrees of success. unfortunately by proxy the music that the hatchems make references the music that was itself referential, its second hand music, they aren't a bad band, they just aren't important Posted by mark on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 20:52 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	mark	then again maybe your right i'm so old a made a typo in my rant Posted by mark on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 20:55 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	BDA BOY!!! Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 22:51 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	13headsmissing	music isnt really an art to people any more is it? Posted by 13headsmissing on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 19:09 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	I have no idea... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 23:25 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	michelle	What a stupid fucking cunt. Not only are there typos floating about that blithering idiot's hate letter, but he displays his lack of intelligence numerous times by failing to think of anything more dubious to call you other then an old man. I agree with charlie below- i not only hope that their groupies give them herpes, but i also hope they give it to whomever wrote the ignorant letter above. now, if you'll so kindly excuse me, i have to take a nap before my stories start as this whole letter writing expedition has really wiped me out... it's just what happens when you hit 30 i guess. Posted by michelle on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 20:41 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	Well these kids have got some fight but not much else... And I would have been alot more impressed if they'd done some research before puking on ym page... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 22:54 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	WaKS. Records	too mary jane as far as the music industry being run by 'old guys' then you should research a bit more before you judge, im 18, ive put out 5 singles and i manage hatcham and have single handedly got them onto festivals and press, the reason all of you claim there so unimportant is because you are all the 'old guys' still wanting to bring back 'the glory days of stone roses' its quite pathetic to see all of you has beens, never beens and never will bees to think you can hold some sort of clout with your critiscism, i hope you all get cancer x Posted by WaKS. Records on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 21:56 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	Cancer 'n' roll... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 22:35 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	Paloma Pirate	christ, little boy, you bring out the worst in me... i think i hate you. just take a deep breath and think dialogue, dialogue, dialogue. criticism is what it's all about. any artist who puts their work on the table better be prepared to stomach the criticism, so please shut the fuck up, grow some thicker skin and stop with your whining. Posted by Paloma Pirate on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 22:29 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	OLé!! Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 22:45 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	mark	if waks is going to wish me some disease i'd rather it wasn't cancer, then again even if it was a particularly nasty version i would still outlive the duration of the bands he represents success Posted by mark on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 22:52 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	I really do like their FIRE but you need more than simply FIRE... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 23:11 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	Paloma Pirate	so now i've gone and had a listen to this hatcham social that you are speaking of. nothing special at all. nothing new. same old same old...i mean they are OK, catchy pop, but nothing special. really. Posted by Paloma Pirate on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 23:09 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	I've been tempted to listen to them all day, but i had other things to do... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 23:12 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	Paloma Pirate	dont waste your time. it would be better spent cleaning the pig sty. Posted by Paloma Pirate on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 23:14 [Remove] [Reply to this]

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WOOF!! Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Monday, July 30, 2007 at 23:26 [Remove] [Reply to this]