WHAT IS POP????

Current mood: PONDEROSA... Category: PONDEROSA... Music "But it we're talking about pop things, obviously a pop record is meant to be number one, if it isn't number one, it's a failure." Bill Drummond So, todays hot topic is what is pop and when is a record and/or band, pop?? Specifically: Can a band or act call themselves a 'pop band' if by the time they split they've never had a Number 1 hit or even a top 10 hit??? It's a big question and I've spent a couple of hours now trying to nail my analysis in a clever and analytical way. I have however so far failed to completely nail it and I'm going out in a mo..... So, whilst I continue to think and write what I'm sure will become the definitive essay on the subject (which will no doubt appear in my forthcoming book 'The Vest of Paul Giovanni') I'd like to invite you all to throw in your thoughts into the ring... (Please note: Any analysis posted below that turns out to be better than my own, could well be appropriated by The PGC for use in both the essay I'm now writing and in future attempts at pop success. Please note NO royalties will be paid) Currently listening : Greatest Hits By Robbie Williams Release date: By 01 November, 2004 14:21 - 64 Comments - 21 Kudos - Add Comment - Edit - Remove

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	Clinker	Pop is short for popular, I believe, but its got to be more complex than that. My initial thought is that Pop music is something aimed at the singles market. There must be examples that prove that theory wrong, but right now I can't think of one. I'll have a think on this one...maybe get the Guiness Book of Hit Records out. Posted by Clinker on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 16:48 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	When I was young I thought pop was called so because it was like the bubbles in fizzy pop... It was only later that my sister pointed out it was short for 'popular' Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 16:54 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	REX MUNDI	thats a tangent worth mining good sir Posted by REX MUNDI on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:06 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	It's an honest answer... From the rather stern yet secure family environment of classical music and weak squash, itsy ditsy songs made by sparkly jangly people seemed to be like the fizzy pop that only came at christmas... Transistory, temporary, lacking any kind of decent substance... Here one day - gone the next... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:12 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	REX MUNDI	yes bucks fizz was a very astute name 4 a pop band i always thought! lol rex Posted by REX MUNDI on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:17 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	BANG ON!!! Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:21 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	KvKvG	pop is any form of music or musical genre that a modern jesus would dig. Posted by KvKvG on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 16:49 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	Good answer... I saw Pope Benedict XVI do a service at St Peters last year and it was just like watchihng a U2 gig.. XVI: 'Who's here from Germany?" PORTION OF THE CROWD: "JAH!!" XVI: "Who's here from Spain" PORTION OF THE CROWD: "SI!!" etc So simimlar was it, that I'd strongly recommend all aspiring pop stars go down to the Holy Se and check his action out... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 16:59 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	Time Traveller	POP is for the masses... ugh! Posted by Time Traveller on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 16:56 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	REX MUNDI	dirty creatures lol! Posted by REX MUNDI on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:06 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	Dirty, but very down to earth... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:13 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	REX MUNDI	im being ironic i luv the peeps Posted by REX MUNDI on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:21 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	For sure...I never seriously insult my family. Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:25 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	Christopher Nosnibor	and pop! goes the weasel... Posted by Christopher Nosnibor on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 17:41 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	REX MUNDI	exactly u hit the nail on the head with that 1! Posted by REX MUNDI on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:07 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	I'm confused by this weasel bit?!? Anyone care to explain further???? Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:23 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	La Paloma, the Queen of Infinity	Posted by La Paloma, the Queen of Infinity on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:48 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	La Paloma, the Queen of Infinity	Round and round the cobbler's bench The monkey chased the weasel, The monkey thought 'twas all in fun Pop! Goes the weasel. A penny for a spool of thread A penny for a needle, That's the way the money goes, Pop! Goes the weasel. A half a pound of tupenny rice, A half a pound of treacle. Mix it up and make it nice, Pop! Goes the weasel. Up and down the London road, In and out of the Eagle, That's the way the money goes, Pop! Goes the weasel. I've no time to plead and pine, I've no time to wheedle, Kiss me quick and then I'm gone Pop! Goes the weasel. Posted by La Paloma, the Queen of Infinity on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:42 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	That nursery rhyme always freaked me out as a child and I'm not sure I understand it now.... Is it basically saying that everything costs money and once you've spent it it's gone??? Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:46 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	Good strategy...!! Cards close to chest. Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 23:23 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	This is the kind of thing that started me thinking about it... Basically being Pop isn't about being cool and exclusive - it's about being played and loved as avidly by lifelong Bricklayers and Administrative Assistants as by musical people and arbiters of taste like Paul Giovanni £rd... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 17:04 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	REX MUNDI	yes cant leave this shit in the hands of those who have "the power 2 name" this is indeed the turf of the pple! Posted by REX MUNDI on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 02:14 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	The turf of the people to buy, but once a popstar becomes so, can they ever again be of the people??? Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:27 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	Oh and for the record, I'd like to say that I love the masses... I don't like them in my face - but I love that they exist. If they didn't I'd have to get a proper job... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 17:13 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	REX MUNDI	exactly need 2 watch ya back on this 1 cause u know they can be revolting lol in a political sense of course! Posted by REX MUNDI on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:25 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	Revolutions are a bit like pop music: Everything looks all exciting and world changing, but 2 years later you find that very little has changed... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:32 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	maryJane	no royalties, eh?? Posted by maryJane on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 17:18 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	No. In keeping with the history and future of the record industry, I won't be paying up... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 17:20 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	La Paloma, the Queen of Infinity	umm...i am formulating a formal response to this one...might take a while, so here is my preliminary comment... Posted by La Paloma, the Queen of Infinity on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 18:49 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	YES?? YES????? Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 23:17 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	La Paloma, the Queen of Infinity	THE OFFICIAL RESPONSE FROM THE QUEEN OF INFINITY: 1) Short for Post Office Protocol, a protocol used to retrieve e-mail from a mail server. Most e-mail applications (sometimes called an e-mail client) use the POP protocol, although some can use the newer IMAP (Internet Message Access Protocol). There are two versions of POP. The first, called POP2, became a standard in the mid-80's and requires SMTP to send messages. The newer version, POP3, can be used with or without SMTP. Oh wait, wrong pop. Here is my entirely made up theory... Pop is a bizarre hybrid of capitalist communism. yep. everyone gets some. some get rich. It is pop when people believe that it is important to their social identity to know about it and want it and have some of it, regardless of whether they understand why. It is accessible to the masses because they have been steadily and easily trained to recognize its limited artistic merit. At the same time, and here lies the paradox, is that pop music is a paradox, because pop music is also a product, treated as a commodity that everyone needs and therefore are willing to buy into. In order to be true pop, music must require little effort on the listener’s part and must be comfortable and familiar. The repetition and formulaic nature we have come to expect from pop music are soothing and safe for the listening masses. It has the power to get stuck in the listener’s head, it gets in, does it’s job quickly and requires little effort on the listener’s part. But, at the same time, it is not so good as to have true staying power. This is to say, that is easily replaced with the next available piece of pop. The listening masses have no trouble moving on from it. Posted by La Paloma, the Queen of Infinity on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 19:06 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	REX MUNDI	some pop music can be complex & enduring but its transcendence turns it in2 a classic simple! just like the ancient pop of mr beethoven et al! Posted by REX MUNDI on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:05 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	I think the only difference between pop music and 'folk' music is that the copyrights haven't run out on pop music... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:34 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	BLIMEY!!! A truly intellectual answer and on first glance a very good one... I will return in a bit with a comprehensive response..) Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 23:19 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	La Paloma, the Queen of Infinity	didn't think i had it in me, did you?!?! (sticks out tongue) Posted by La Paloma, the Queen of Infinity on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 23:43 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	I never doubted it and I admire your commitment and attention to detail...!! Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 23:51 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	simon	Certainly having hit singles is one criterior for Pop the other one for me would be bands or acts capable of selling out venues like Wembley arena and larger. Which then opens things out to include the likes of Led Zeppelin and all sorts of others not always considered pop music. But I'd argue that any band capable of finding 7500+ people prepared to pay to see them in several towns and citites on this planet must be considered popular enough to then be defined as pop. Posted by simon on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 19:09 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	I reckon it's not just about chart position or even LIVE success - but that it's definately about marketing... Led Zep were an astonishingly well marketed b(r)and - by not releasing singles they created a tension and anticipation which was huge.. Pop music is about either working out or lucking in on a certain time and place and making it vibrate to the tune you're making.... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 23:39 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	La Paloma, the Queen of Infinity	but i think maybe pop is only popular in it's own temporal context. do you think that bands that have transcended generations are something other than "pop?" is there another category of super pop? mega pop? Posted by La Paloma, the Queen of Infinity on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 19:32 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	REX MUNDI	there is indeed "classic pop" Posted by REX MUNDI on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:02 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	Yes I think there are categories... In the UK: SClub7 are temporal pop Westlife are career pop The KLF are eternal COOL pop Michael Jackson (whatever he may or may not have done) is SUPER POP... The only similarity between them all is that they've all sold lots of records.... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 23:44 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	La Paloma, the Queen of Infinity	S Club 7, i had forgotten about them. yes. so we have: Temporal Pop (true pop) Cool Pop (the antipop, but pop nonetheless) Super Pop (temporal pop that keeps coming back and reinventing itself, and that causes the masses to develop nostalgia...you know MJ's Off the Wall and Madonna's self titled) Career Pop (I would think Tom Jones and Jimmy Buffet somehow fit in this category. Who are Westlife?) Posted by La Paloma, the Queen of Infinity on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 23:57 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	Westlife are a boy band that have been going for about 10 years. They will always be here, but will never progress beyond career pop - they have neither the talent or desire to be anything other than be a reheated microwave meal... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 00:14 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	Nonstop Everything	in picksburgh we drink pop in' at. to me, it's anything that sounds popular. anything w/ a verse-chorus-verse-chorus... format. it is a tradition. Posted by Nonstop Everything on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 20:25 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	It has to be loved by and relate to people. Pop is surely from Populus, People, Population... Verse chorus is very important as are vocals - there are very very few instrumental No1s.. Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 23:50 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	stEvil	hard to say, but apparently it will eat itself. Posted by stEvil on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 21:05 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	I never understood what those bastards were on about?!? PWEI??? They ate themselves - but pop music continues.... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 23:41 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	Colossus	So now that we know/have agreed on what pop music is can anyone start the ball rolling on where pop music is at? PWEI tried to ask that question... Anyone wanna give me an answer? Spider xx P.S Fuck I love this page! Posted by Colossus on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 00:13 [Remove] [Reply to this]

	: THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI :	I'm not sure we've agreed yet... As for where it's at now??? I think now is the perfect time for innovation. Certain things like X Factor have made it all very dull and predictable. I think what is needed now is something completely anarchic that repects no rules... The proverbial breath of fresh air... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 00:20 [Remove] [Reply to this]

Treacle

Tis a beast of a question Sir Giovanni, I guess the 4 characteristics of a pop record are: -easy on the ear, dare I use the word catchy -in the form of a single -marketable -successful chart wise I guess the evolution of pop is an important issue, it's always been about selling singles. But the industry has become so much more conscious of itself. So now I guess a lot more of the artists are ravenous for 'success', whatever that means. Remember the Levis' adverts that always had number one hits? Marketing genius, but they were decent songs also. How do you explain ABBA? I like to think of CSS as a modern day ABBA. Would you agree? My favourite explanation for the direction culture takes can be found here: http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/adorno/1944/culture-industry.htm Simply put, pop has eaten itself, then shit itself back out as a highly marketable product. That is where pop is now. For the pleasure of you ears, here is what all of my students sing EVERY DAY: Oooh, I just noticed a dance tutorial for it! Will be working on my moves when I get home. Posted by Treacle on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:22 [Remove] [Reply to this] : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : I don't think CSS are much. I find them a bit one dimensional and much more like the modern day Elastica than the MD Abba. That vid is proper kidz pop: Why is it that the pop business is so preoccupied with underage sex?? Very good point about the eating then shitting out! The beauty of capitalism is that it never stops. It can happily feed on shit just as much as sugar. Opposing it is completely pointless - quite a lot like opposing the rain... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:49 [Remove] [Reply to this] Clinker Have you heard CSS' album. Its quite a varied bag. I don't feel they're one dimensional at all. Posted by Clinker on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 13:58 [Remove] [Reply to this] : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : Yeah I've heard it and I found it dull... There's the odd good single on there, but nothing that really excited me...(( Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 14:24 [Remove] [Reply to this] Colossus We're working on it... Spider xx P.S We have agreed you just like to argue (DONT CHANGE)!! Off to bed will expect a witty reply when I check on Thursday night. Posted by Colossus on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 00:39 [Remove] [Reply to this] : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : Arguing is seen to be a bad thing these days... I remember when the conservatives (then in power) were indulging in intense infighting over something or other and all the political commentators were saying about how it would destroy the party and ruin their chances of re-election.. I thought the arguing and infighting (that there was more than one opinion amongst a few thousnd people) was about the only thing that made them tolerable!!! Anyway... Pop music is like two day old custard at the moment. It needs a milkshake more than Kellis does... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 00:51 [Remove] [Reply to this] REX MUNDI YES A CONUNDRUM INDEED MISTER GIOVANNI POPULAR HMMMM WELL IT CERTAINLY IS SHORT 4 POPULAR BUT MAYBE IN THE SENSE OF POPULAR 4 THE SHORT TERM U KNOW ABOUT BUBBLE ECONOMICS & THE PHYSICS OF BUBBLES & SURFACE TENSION & ALL THAT GUFF WELL BUBBLES POP DO THEY NOT & THERE U HAVE MY THEORY OF POP BECAUSE IN ESSENCE ALL OUR SPECULATIONS DO INDEED TURN OUT 2 BE NOTHING MORE THAN THEORIES IN THE END.SO LETS REDUCE THIS 2 AN EASY BIT SIZED CONCEPT THE KIDDIES CAN COMPREHEND,1- ITS A HIT IN THE CHARTS. 2-ITS OFF THE CHARTS! POP GOES THE WEASEL(AS 1 OF YOUR OTHER READERS STATES) 3-ITS A FOND MEMORY ON A GREATEST HITS COMP.BINGO THERE U HAVE IT SIMPLE. AS 4 NEW BANDS WHO DESCRIBE WHAT THEY DO AS POP WELL THEY SHOULD CLARIFY THEIR BOLD STATEMENTS OF INTENT/DESCRIPTION BY QUALIFYING THEIR BLURBS WITH THE CATCHALL OF "SOUNDS LIKE CLASSIC POP" OR INFLUENCED BY, BECAUSE IF ITS ONLY POP IN THEIR MINDS NOT THE PUNTERS WELL THATS ALL IT IS! OVER N OUT REX MUNDI Posted by REX MUNDI on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 00:48 [Remove] [Reply to this] : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : A collection of very interesting points... The last one interests me. I think when bands who are yet to have a hit, call themselves pop, they are being optimistic and confident about the future - which is something I very much like to see.. Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:17 [Remove] [Reply to this] Clinker If you were asking what is rock, what is reggae, what is whatever else, the answer would be simple. So maybe the bands that say they're pop that haven't had a hit, don't really know what it is either. It's like indie. It used to mean independent. Then Kylie and the like were taking over the indie charts (cos they were signed to an independent). So indie now is seen as a sound. I feel pop has been dumbed down to a sound now too. Ths could be what causes confusion now. Posted by Clinker on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 13:55 [Remove] [Reply to this] : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : This is a good point, though I'm not sure I agree... That Now 68 had plenty of different sounds on it. There was some acoustic folk pop, r'n'b pop, dancey pop, hip hop pop... By the example of that, I would say pop can be anything that is a watered down and 'catchied up' version of any one particular musical style... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 14:34 [Remove] [Reply to this] REX MUNDI of course but they should spell out what they think they r doing i for 1 would never describe what my music is other than in a precise genre type description eg. i do electro that describes the mechanics of some of my music, using such opened terms as pop is on the slippery slope pop is not really a genre as such its a category marking success in the hearts n minds of the pple. Posted by REX MUNDI on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:30 [Remove] [Reply to this] REX MUNDI hey giovanni no royalties r required but a citation would be nice if u do think im on the money cause ive been thinking about this 1 4 many long years!lol cheerz rex Posted by REX MUNDI on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 01:11 [Remove] [Reply to this] graham Posted by graham on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 12:05 [Remove] [Reply to this] simon Before I read part 2 I'd like to chip in again and answer the question what's up with ABBA and how to explain them. Well as someone old enough to remember seeing them win the Eurovision Song Contest on a black and white telly way back when I'd have to say they were so colourful that they made black and white seem like colour!! They had the catchiest songs that are so ingrained in the brains of western humanity now that they have become touchstones in the way Glenn Miller and Vera Lynn did for a previous generation, songs that almost everyone knows 40 or 50 years later! So therefore that makes ABBA pop Gold to steal one of there album titles. and as for the Pop Goes The weasel comments I'm guessing most of you don't know that it was originally east End slang for Pawning your Work tools in the Tailoring business to pay the rent having blown your wages on Beer!! PWEI were always awful live and sounded just awful, Oh and the members of the band that I met were also generally assholes too!! even though they had a hit or two always Unpop to my ears. Posted by simon on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 19:25 [Remove] [Reply to this] : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : Off the top of my head, I'd have thought 6 or 8 tracks by Abba qualify as Classic Pop.. Seeing the lyrics, I reckoned Pop Goes The Weasel was some kind of old working class song about pissing money up the wall..)) PWEI have always annoyed me. Much like Neds Atomic Dustbin, PWEI were a product of a time when The NME had no better idea as to where to look - much like now... Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF MUSIC BLOG BY PIOUS GIOVANNI : on Thursday, January 17, 2008 at 20:36 [Remove] [Reply to this]