Monday, 28 July 2008

Madonna in the Hall Of Fame???

Madonna in the Hall Of Fame???
Current mood: SANTA MARIA!!!
Category: SANTA MARIA!!! Music







Having watched these clips concerning the new book about Madge by her miffed borther Chris, Mrs Giovanni and myself engaged in a thorough discussion as to whether Madge has an iconic legacy that will last way beyond her death...


Mrs G's impression is that Madonna is one of the most important women this century has seen - a symbol of popular female empowerment and strength, who's legacy will exist for centuries...

I see her point - that Madge has gone way beyond music alone and that this diversity of skills and (mainly business) achievements, will ensure her status...

But if that's the case, she'll be an icon of industry, business and celebrity and not music...


Yes boss, as far as I can see, Madonna's key ability has been to 'spin' and sell her image and that when her self run PR machine finally dies down, what'll be left in peoples heads is 'The Immaculate Collection' and not very much else....

Her music certainly doesn't have anything like the power or soul of Edith Piaf, Maria Callas or Billie Holiday and those are the kind of performers who last

And besides, up to now, history has only romanticised and iconified those female performers who've battled addictions and/or died young...


What do you think???



Currently listening :
Maria Callas - Life & Art (2 CD's & Bonus DVD)
Release date: By 2004-11-16

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maryJane

i got the immaculate collection a few years back...and im pretty satisified that i-ve got the best of madonna, in her entirety, right there.
but id trade that in for some edith piaf lps in a heartbeat !!

Posted by maryJane on 16 Jul 2008, 06:35
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: THE FUTUREPROOF CUDDLING POP BLOG BY PG£ :

The thing I've noticed with every Madonna LP is how many duff tracks there are - not average or ordinary tracks, but DUFF tracks!!

Musically speaking, the ones who last are the ones with the greatest sensitivites, emotions and souls...

Those aren't the kind of words you really associate with Madge..

Are business people ever remembered with much love??

Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF CUDDLING POP BLOG BY PG£ : on 16 Jul 2008, 08:19
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simon

At her very best she is a great singles artist, and at her very worst she is a needy needy whore who would sell her second hand shit stained knickers if she thought she could get someone to pay enough money for em!

Posted by simon on 16 Jul 2008, 18:10
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Nonstop Everything

as i was scrolling through my blog subcriptions, i read the title of this entry as "madonna in the hell of fame???" no other thoughts on this.

Posted by Nonstop Everything on 16 Jul 2008, 21:05
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: THE FUTUREPROOF CUDDLING POP BLOG BY PG£ :

That would have been a better title....

Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF CUDDLING POP BLOG BY PG£ : on 16 Jul 2008, 21:32
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Wendy

Tut tut PG. You'd think the Pop genre had never been invented.

Wasn't Piccasso a fairly astute business man? It doesn't detract from his talent...and in common with Madonna's work some of it is a bit crap. Prolific doesn't necessarily mean consistent.

Personally I really like the tracks I've heard from her new Lp. But that's just me.

Ta-ta.

Posted by Wendy on 16 Jul 2008, 21:22
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: THE FUTUREPROOF CUDDLING POP BLOG BY PG£ :

I take the point, but I don't think Madge is in the same league (in terms of talent) as Picasso...

Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF CUDDLING POP BLOG BY PG£ : on 16 Jul 2008, 21:30
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Roger The Record Producer

You should read my latest re Madge.
Let's call her X.
R

Posted by Roger The Record Producer on 17 Jul 2008, 12:20
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: THE FUTUREPROOF CUDDLING POP BLOG BY PG£ :

BLIMEY!!!

THE FIRST BEGINNING TO END MADGE LP IS A-COMING!!!

Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF CUDDLING POP BLOG BY PG£ : on 17 Jul 2008, 13:47
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: THE FUTUREPROOF CUDDLING POP BLOG BY PG£ :

(that should have read 'THE FIRST BLINDING BEGINNING TO END MADGE LP IS A-COMING!!!')

Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF CUDDLING POP BLOG BY PG£ : on 17 Jul 2008, 15:59
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The Official Artist aka Uma Thorax

I would like to go on record as saying that Madonna is Great, with a capital G...!!!!

Posted by The Official Artist aka Uma Thorax on 17 Jul 2008, 15:41
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: THE FUTUREPROOF CUDDLING POP BLOG BY PG£ :

As what - an icon or a musical force...?!?

Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF CUDDLING POP BLOG BY PG£ : on 17 Jul 2008, 15:50
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The Official Artist aka Uma Thorax

BOTH!!!

Posted by The Official Artist aka Uma Thorax on 17 Jul 2008, 15:58
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The Official Artist aka Uma Thorax

...(I may have missed the point of this blog post!)

Posted by The Official Artist aka Uma Thorax on 17 Jul 2008, 16:07
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: THE FUTUREPROOF CUDDLING POP BLOG BY PG£ :

Not at all - you've answered the question...

Which albums other than the IC are worth the admission fee???

Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF CUDDLING POP BLOG BY PG£ : on 17 Jul 2008, 16:23
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The Official Artist aka Uma Thorax

Well for me, the mid to late 80s stuff is the best...preferably on cassette tape! Listening to the 'True Blue' album brings back poignant reminders of my 12 year old self...

Her first three albums are well worth the admission fee (or naughty download time and effort)...Madonna (1983), Like A Virgin (1984) and True Blue (1986).

Posted by The Official Artist aka Uma Thorax on 17 Jul 2008, 16:49
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Clinker

Like a Prayer is quite a consistantly good album. Smelt nice too!!!

I hope history looks back on these days as pure consumerism. She will be remembered, but what kind of legacy will she leave??

Posted by Clinker on 17 Jul 2008, 14:47
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: THE FUTUREPROOF CUDDLING POP BLOG BY PG£ :

This is where Mrs G's maths adds up - the times are consumerism, and Madge is an icon of her times...

Whether you or I are a fan of consumerism is unimportant...

The artists job is to reflect their times...

Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF CUDDLING POP BLOG BY PG£ : on 17 Jul 2008, 14:56
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they came from the stars, i saw them

i think mark manning summed madge up the best in 'Bad Wisdom'. For those of you that haven't read it...go and read it!

hj ;o)

Posted by they came from the stars, i saw them on 19 Jul 2008, 14:40
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: THE FUTUREPROOF CUDDLING POP BLOG BY PG£ :

That was certainly a very interesting take...

Posted by : THE FUTUREPROOF CUDDLING POP BLOG BY PG£ : on 19 Jul 2008, 23:25
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r

the material girl's greatest talent is being the material girl.

Posted by r on 20 Jul 2008, 19:55
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Thursday, 24 July 2008

My name is Paul Pious James Deman Giovanni £rd and I’m not an alcoholic....


Current mood: AMY’S RIGHT...
Category: AMY’S RIGHT... Religion and Philosophy



So, I've just finished reading a book called

You'll Never Eat Lunch in this Town Again By Julia Phillips

Written the producer of films such as Close Encounters, The Sting & Taxi Driver, it's a spin of a read around the life of a Hollywood producer, and it's taken something in the region of 5 months to wade from cover to cover....

At times blatherous, difficult to follow and drifting; at times incisive and brave, I'd recommend it if you've got the time to go through 629 pages...

If not, here follows my favourite bit


'AA people will tell you that every junkie is the same. That every drug is the same. That there are rules principles, steps that everyone who is addicted to something can take that will help to stop the addiction. I know a lot of people, alive as well as dead, who have cleaned up behind AA. They do seem to get somewhat addicted to AA, but over the years, I have decided that this is quibbling....

I do really have a problem with the 'same' concept. If every junkie is the same, that is essentially saying that every human being is the same. That denies out specialness, our uniqueness. AA aficianados will tell you that you haven't really 'gotten it' if you don't surrender to the concept of sameness. You're the same as the wino on skid row. I'm the same as you if I love coke and you love smack, but those choices bespeak antithetical personalities. AA will tell you that you don't want to feel real feelings, so you take drugs to avoid them, but I think that is discounting a whole bunch of drugs that do take you further. Inside. Outside. Upside and Downside. In the feeling department. In the thinking department. In the sensation department. As it were.

As a thir generation astheist, I have serious trouble with the Higher Power precept upon which AA so heavily relies. See, I think that you take more responsibility for yourself if you don't believe in God than if you do. The I'm-one-of-God's-children-He-will-forgive-me concept has become so much more popular than the I-am-unique-and-possibly-alone-therefore-accountable-for-myself-and-my-behaviour school that it really should not be surprising to us that we have become so greedy and unethical and immoral.

People who don't believe in God are stuck with believing in Mankind. As they get older, if they have an IQ over 120, they come to realise what a colossal waste of time that is. Also as they get older, more and more of their friends die. They start to believe in mankind less. They then go one of two ways: either they get better with themselves or they go back to God. I get better with myself. And worse with Mankind. But I am forty-four and have smoked all my life, not to mention all those dangerous drugs.

And fuck it, I am just a speck of sand under the fingernail of a larger being, who is just a speck of sand under the fingernail of a larger being, etc., in a universe that is either expanding or contracting and is probably random.

'Christ it's beginning to feel like an alternative religion,' I say to Brooke one day, complaining.

What is it with these kids anyway? I want to tell them, Fuck, I got to shoot off a pretty good wad, professionally speaking, before I decided to retire into drugs full time. Where do you get offshooting smack behind three episodes of McGyver?

'Please, in Hollywood it's a dating service...'
'It's certainly a career step....'



Currently reading :
You'll Never Eat Lunch in This Town Again
By Julia Phillips
Release date: 2002-04-02

This weeks list pt2....


Current mood: ELECTRICITY!!!!
Category: ELECTRICITY!!!! Music



Dizzee Rascal - Maths & English (2007)

After his opening LP Boy In Da Corner, I felt Mr R would be a very exciting place to be come album number 3 - and here it is....

And I don't much like it...

The thing I wanted to see developed was the moody soulful observational side of things - instead Dizzee drifts further pop without that much warmth...

I don't necessarily blame or hate him for it - it's just not my flagon of juice..




Foals

As with the LCD SS, there's a big old bag full of hype surrounding this act, but so far I'm not quite recieving it...

I've only heard one LP it's name illudes me - suffice to say, it sounded like a more thoroughly produced version of Franz Ferdinand....


Lee 'Scratch' Perry - Party Time

WHEN PERRY'S MANNING THE DESK IT'S ALWAYS PARTY TIME...!!

AKA

Quintessential reggae





Battles - Mirrored (2007)

This is pretty clever and I think I like it

But as Dan says in Episode 7 of Casa Hasa Giovanna (freely downloadable by clicking the picture)

'They're not bad - but they do sound a little bit like King Crimson....'




Midnight Star - The Beginning (1978)

This is super happy jam jam music...

Opening track Keep The Spirits High is my track of the week....

I'd be amazed if Radiohead are fans....




Prince
- For You & Musicology

PRINCE IS A MONSTER!!!

He scares me, and the opening track from For You (his first LP) is quite astounding in it's statement of intent...

Basically, it's a better introduction of what's to come, than Genesis is to the Bible...

Musicology is a bit on the duff side, though I like the drama of A Million Days


And finally....


Mika Vainio - Richie Hawtin Remixes (2007)

This is a delightful 12" which as it's name suggests is a couple of unamed tracks by Panasonics Mika Vainio toyed with by Richie Hawtin...

We're talking light, bright, minimal techno with all sorts of crystal good play...

THIS IS VERY VERY GOOD INDEED!!!!



Currently listening :
The Beginning
By Midnight Star
Release date: 1999-12-09